We have no indication that Jiren is even capable of hurting Infinite Zamasu. Zamasu has no way to defeat Jiren, and I doubt he could have defeated Hit with the power he had before attacking Future U7. Infinite Zamasu was only defeated by Zeno wiping out the time line. Why is Fused Zamasu such a weak Potara Fusion? And Zeno is heavily implied to be the only one capable ode destroying the entire Macrocosm. Yeah but Infinite Zamasu only got to Low 2-C output, he never expanded to 2-C which is purely hypothetical. Honestly, it feels like there is too many mental gymnastics to justify Zamasu not being 2-C. You have to assume so many things. I agree with everything besides “attacking him in the past” since Zamasu was shown spreading to the present, was just him spreading to a alternate timeline, even if he kills little Jiren in that timeline, no effects would have been inflicted upon normal Jiren. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. There have been debates that Universes 1-12 are within a shared space-time. Future Zeno erased Infinite Zamasu, and erased the multiverse as a result of Zamasu being the multiverse. Neighboring universes are closer than a whole other timeline, and Zeno destroyed the timeline because he said a world like this must disappear. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Casual. He possesses Future Zamasu's green skin, gray irises, and white hair; however, his face has more of Goku Black's jawline. To add further, it's VERY clear Zamasu is with the multiverse. It may not display this or other websites correctly. If you want to be anonymous, don't enter your real name when you … That's it. Goku was convinced he could handle Infinite Zamasu if he had another senzu bean. As both Future Zamasu and Goku Black possess the same soul, it appears that this infinite form reflects that. Because Jiren is a serious fighter who likes to crush his opponent. Cyro makes sense, I agree with his conclusion. Quote More History; Done. The problem is that Jiren was clearly stated to be much stronger than him even in the Casual stage. Infinite Zamasu wins both rounds. Beerus also seemed unconcerned. 100% Upvoted. Basically timelines containing multiple timelines. You are indeed where you belong. He had a pretty dumb and uncaring logic if he thought that the last man standing would definitely make a specific wish. Sonic is a Multiversal threat in his Super Form. And we all know how Trunks timelime came to be in the first place. report. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Why would they be same? Yea honestly it doesn't make any sense if he hadn't fused with the whole Multiverse. So this Is to get anime zamasu to 2-C, correct? Zamasu’s suppressed level is far weaker than any level above the gods. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Not sure where that was ever implied. Like I posted above, Beerus and Whis don't seem worried in the slightest. Jiren walked towards the ball, struggling, then when Hit jumped towards him to try to do whatever, Jiren crushed the ball and moved at regular speeds again. I'll still wait for more response and probably the staff's explaination before deciding if a CRT is needed. ", Perhaps Zen-Oh sama has expectations. Zamasu is clearly. A heavily suppressed Jiren was stated by both Shin and Vegeta himself to be the strongest person they ever faced. In the anime, Infinite Zamasu appears as an endless number of Zamasu's face in the sky, however the faces are entirely green other than their mouth and eyes which are reddish white. No one from DB can beat IZ other than Zeno. Great analysis as always @CryoTheMayo ! SSBE Vegeta fought a Jiren who had powered up … Jiren and Goku are much stronger individually but there's nothing they can do to kill and eliminate Zamasu who was consuming all of timelines. Any idea about who else i could ask to comment ? Save changes Preview Cancel. Beerus was very concerned when he saw how strong Goku and Jiren were getting. hide. 3. might be stronger than Great Priest. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Bloodlusted. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the whowouldwin community. "Zeno-sama foresaw this outcome...that the warrior standing at the end, would be virtuous enough to consider other universes. And another question, would this make every DBS Low 2-C backscale from the Beerus feat or would Casual Jiren/Weakest GoDs be the baseline of that feat? There are such things as Brane Cosmologies or Meta-Universes. Posted by 2 years ago. If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking pointless knowledge gathered from a life spent reading and gaming and swinging it like a gladiator's sword in discussions on reddit... then welcome home, my friend. Two of the strongest antagonists of the DBS series. ), if he fused with the Timeline then he's 2-C, and There's no reason why Zeno would Erase 12 Universes if Zamasu only fused with one, Yes, I know. But a Timeline in DB has 12 Universes (Isn't that the reason why Heroes are the strongest 2-Bs? Before that, Fused Zamasu was Goku’s (and Vegeta’s) greatest pain in the neck. Fusion Zamasu was weaker than SSB Vegetto, who was likely inferior to Infinite Zamasu. I am following too, I still don't have an stance yet though. Jiren is outright said to be vastly stronger than anyone, it's a pretty easy match with a canon answer, Jiren wins, easily. BTW SSJRYU probably won't want to bother with this, and I don't blame him. Zeno has been stated to made rash decisions like that all the time. If you appreciate the VS Battles wiki, and can afford it, please make a donation to help keep our forum running, so we can continue to work hard to improve on the reliability of our wiki profile pages. I personally find perfectly fine for Infinite Zamasu to be 2-C due to fusing with the whole timeline... but at the same time, I don't feel anyone but Zen O should scale to him on that case, because saying all these characters such as Goku, Jiren and Beerus scaling to being able to destroy the 12 universes sounds EXTREMELY fishy. of being the strongest foe at the time, Zamasu would have become much stronger than them if he took ever other universes, but was stopped by Zen'o. Goku asks Zeno if he should erase Zamasu, Zeno goes "You're right, a world like this shouldn't exist.". As I explained, it's extremely OOC for Zeno to destroy the future multiverse unless he was forced to. IC Zeno would just erase the Universe with the problem in it, but that's not what happened and the reason why is quite clear. So far, Goku’s most powerful opponent before Jiren was Hit. So there is quite a loophole if Zamasu was, I mean Beerus and Whis Sensed Infinite Zamasu and were just like "well, that's a thing.". Goku was convinced he could handle Infinite Zamasu if he had another senzu bean. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. That only adds to my point. 1 Summary 2 Powers and Stats 3 Gallery 4 Others 5 Discussions Fusion Zamasu(合体 ザマス,Gattai Zamasu) is a fusion born of the union betweenGoku Black(Present Zamasu in Goku's body) andFuture Zamasuthrough the Potara earrings. Which one would win in a fight? What about the Grand Priest or Super Shenron? 2-C is more likely than Low 2-C tbh in this case. Casual. So that's actually a 3rd timeline right there. ", "If a selfish wish had been made, he would have erased everything. ", A) Because the Destroyers were doing a poor job, B) He wanted to redirect his energy towards the Destroyers doing their jobs properly, Future Zeno saw no more worth in the multiverse. This is been back up, when Krillin “aborted”(TFS Reference) Present cell, but future cell(main antagonist) still lives on. The context of him willing to destroy another 8 universes was just his bad sense of judgment and rash decision. 14 Infinite Zamasu Listen up: Infinite Zamasu is incredibly powerful. Gowasu said he was becoming the universe, and after a while he started leaking into the present. That Goku and friends can change something. Hell, why would he erase his own house for no reason ? Well, since Jiren scales above Infinite Zamasu and Beerus is vastly stronger than Post-UIS2 SSB Goku (who pushed Jiren to use more energy) then Beerus and Whis would scale far above Infinite Zamasu and could easily defeat him, potentially. 4) Lmao alright Reactions: Zamasu_Chan , OneBleachHurricane and ChocomilkAlex However, despite the vast power he received from Goku's body, t… Present Zeno isn't that caring either if you think about it. share. We have no proof he even knew about the Stuff in Option 2. There has to be reasonable impetus for Zeno to make that decision, such as it being the only way to erase Zamasu entirely. What's the wiki's stance on why Zeno nuked the whole timeline if Zamasu had only fused with U7 at that point ? Jiren vs Fused Zamasu. That mortals can change. Is it about Zeno's tier or is it a plot question? So much mental gymnastics and assumptions. You know jiren and UI goku shook the infinite world of void multiple times. He was not concerned about his own well being with Infinite Zamasu, but with the Tournament of Power his own life was on the line, which is why he was on the edge of his seat, so to speak, during the ToP. So, based upon my above analysis the only reason for Future Zeno to erase the multiverse arbitarily, is if it was due to Zamasu killing all of the Supreme Kais and GoDs, but we know Zeno can appoint new Gods of Destruction on a whim and we know Supreme Kais can be birthed if required. He should be 2-C. Yeah I agree. Fusion Zamasu (合体 ザマス, Gattai Zamasu) is a fusion born of the union between Goku Black (Present Zamasu in Goku's body) and Future Zamasuthrough the Potara earrings. Interestingly, the visage of Fused Zamasu that appears is his original, base state, rather than the Super Saiyan Rosé form that Fused Zamasu previously had his body destroyed in. I'm not understanding the question. Though if we scale UIO1 Goku to 12 Universes it would sound EXTREMELY fishy, I am neutral on this tbh. Jiren in his casual state was said to be in a completely different league than Infinite Zamasu (Baseline), UI Goku forced him to use more and more power until … Which makes the whole "He might be 2-C" thing even crazier. save. Vegeta stomps. After nearly unfusing, he gained the ability to multiply, requiring Goku to summon Zeno to kill him once and for all. For now, i don't really see an answer as to why we assume Zeno nuked all the timelines if Zamasu only fused with U7 and Zamasu chan's case in his blog is only made more obvious by how the TOP turned out to be a test of character and even Frost was brough back. You should ask SSJRYU to comment here as well. I have to stick with Sonic on this one. Jiren was stated stonger than Infinite zamasu though and It has been proved. Because of his ability to merge with time and space itself (which, admittedly, sounds like something a being of immense power would do) some people have proposed the argument that I.F. Close. Will probably give my thoughts later. The context for him destroying the 6 universe is just that he was annoyed. He doesn't care, he was literally playing around in the void. 3 Kudos Omegas03. The main purpose of this forum is to discuss how to properly index the statistics of characters from a wide variety of different fictional franchises. Sorry Beerus but there's a new God here to take your place. Beerus took note of the phenomena of Zamasu being felt across the timelines. Zeno wasn't even aware of what happened until Goku pointed it out, so there's no way of him knowing if Zamasu had merged with the universe or multiverse. Come join our discussions, post your own battles and kick some ass! If you want to be anonymous, don't enter your real name when you donate. Bloodlusted. Zamasu has immortality which makes him almost undefeatable and Black carrying Goku’s potential makes him unstoppable. The ratings doesn't matter, it doesn't change that Zeno erasing the 12 universe when it's unneeded and condamning himself to a void for no reason make no sense and contradict everything we've been shown since then and we know Zeno had no idea about ANY of the stuff Zamasu did in the other universe since he litteraly didn't know about infinite Zamasu until he was called, Zamasu's whole plan was to stay unnoticed by the GoD until it's too late, he wasn't going to advertise himself to Zeno. R1: Infinite Zamasu VS Jiren. JavaScript is disabled. Between both these incredibly powerful warriors , which fighter do YOU believe would be superior over the other in … The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. Archived. This thread is archived. Hit forced Goku to show his Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken for the first time. And both present and Future timelines are completely separate timelines altogether. As the timeline Goku Black originated is the what if timeline if no one had knowledge prior or if Beerus hadn't Hakai'd present Zamasu altogether. Zeno's first appearance in the entire series is him checking on Universe 7 and 6's performance. What if Jiren crossed paths with Merged Zamasu in Dragon Ball Super? Jiren has a larger scaling chain with 2 more "Stomps X character" than GoC and therefore Morgana. Jiren and MUI Goku are stronger than the Infinite Zamasu that was initially encompassing the universe and its space-time due to Jiren statements from Shin/Guidebooks and etc. Jiren hasn't shown the ability to destroy timelines, which is necessary to completely kill IZ, and he has to do that quickly because zamasu can leak to another timelines super fast. Zamasu merging with the present but not other universes in the past makes no sense. 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